220.127.116.11 A logical
As we have seen at the very beginning of our analysis,
Jesus (pbuh) has commanded us to "love the Lord thy God
... with all thy mind," Mark 12:30. We were also taught
that "For God is not [the author] of
confusion" 1 Corinthians 14:33.
So, if God's nature is not one of confusion, then it
should not be necessary to command us to simply "have faith"
in the Trinity because it is a "mystery." Is this not fair?
Is this not what the Bible and Jesus himself say? So let us
use our minds and be inquisitive. Let us ask questions so
that we may indeed be able to truthfully claim that we have
loved God "with all our minds."
Now, most Christians today are taught that because of
Adam, all of humanity has inherited sin. This sin was so
great that it could not be forgiven by any normal means.
This sin was so great that God could not simply say "You are
all forgiven." This sin was so great that even the sacrifice
of a sinless mortal would not do. This sin was so great that
it was necessary for God Almighty to offer up His only
begotten son as the only possible purifying sacrifice for
the sins of humanity. The only possible way for God to
forgive humanity this tremendous sin was to have his son
delivered to his mortal enemies so that they might beat him,
spit on him, whip him, strip him, cut him, humiliate him,
hang him up on the cross, and finally kill him. In this
manner, God would finally be able to grant us the
forgiveness He so wishes to bestow upon us. (1 Corinthians
15:3 "Christ died for our sins", Romans 5:6
"Christ died for the ungodly" etc.)
However, when we look closely at this picture we find a
number of problems. For example, if Jesus (pbuh) is part of
a divine Trinity which makes up the essence of God Almighty,
and if this God is ONE God and not THREE gods, and if Jesus
(pbuh) died on the cross, then what happened to God
Almighty?. Did the Trinity die also, or was a third of the
Trinity ripped away from the whole, then tortured, killed,
and sent to hell for three days, while the remaining two
thirds (of God?) remained in it's crippled form a safe
distance away? Who was overseeing the heavens and the earth
while all of this was happening? A crippled Trinity? No one?
If I am made up of heart, mind, and soul, and one of them
dies; what happens to the rest of me? Are they
ONE or THREE? If God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three
names for the same being, (definition of the "Trinity"
required by Isaiah 43:10-11 and many other verses) and not
three separate gods, then the "death of Jesus" is just
another way of saying "the death of God the 'Father'," which
is also another way of saying "the death of the Holy
Some members of the clergy will object that it was not
Jesus "per se" who died, but rather it was only "his human
form" that died. His "godly" form was not affected. It is
described as one describes someone removing his coat. This
leaves us with a dilemma, because it leaves us with one of
1) Either Jesus (pbuh) "himself"
did NOT die, but only shed his earthly body (as it
were), and in this case we must ask, where then is the great
sacrifice in this shedding of a useless shell? Did we not
just agree a few minutes ago that the sacrifice of a sinless
mortal was not sufficient in order to erase the sins of all
of humanity? Did we not just claim that it must be a sinless
"GOD" that must die? How then is Jesus' shedding of this
useless mortal shell which is not his actual essence an
ultimate sacrifice in atonement for all of mankind's sins?
How is it any different than the sacrifice of any normal
human being? Did the death of Jesus' coat atone for the sins
of all mankind? Can Jesus not simply make one thousand more
human "shells" for himself to inhabit? Is his discarding of
one of them an "ultimate sacrifice for the sins of all
2) Or, Jesus (pbuh) "himself"
died, in which case, since he is claimed to be part of
the "Trinity", and the "Trinity" is claimed to be ONE god,
not three (required by Isaiah 43:10-11, Deut. 4:35, 4:39, 1
Kings 8:60, Isaiah 45:5 and many other verses), then God,
Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are all claimed to have
died, since they are all "the same essence." Further, if all
three are indeed ONE God then the death of this one God
contradicts many verses such as:
"But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God,
and an everlasting king."
Also, if the giver of life is dead then who shall bring
Him back to life? The only way out of this dilemma is to
accept the truth, that Jesus (pbuh) was not God but only an
elect messenger of God.
Remember when Jesus (pbuh) is alleged to have died?:
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said,
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said
thus, he gave up the ghost"
When people die they go to their Lord to be judged. If
Jesus (pbuh) was, as claimed, a part of a Trinity and the
Trinity is only ONE god (as required by the above verses),
then Jesus was with God in a Trinity
before his death. It was only after his death
that he was claimed to have left God, died,
and gone down into hell for three days. However, this verse
tells us a completely different story. It claims that Jesus'
essence was somewhere other than already with
God while he was on earth (otherwise it would not have to go
to Him) and was now going to God. Also read
John 17:11: "
I come to thee. Holy Father." And
John 17:13: "And now come I to thee"...etc.
Sadly enough, most Christians are taught to brush off
these matters with words like "It is incomprehensible, that
is why it must be true," or "believe blindly or you will
lose your soul."? Have we so soon forgotten "For God is
not of confusion" 1 Corinthians 14:33? Have we so soon
forgotten "thou shalt love the Lord thy God ... with all
thy mind," Mark 12:30?.
Many missionaries attempt to prove that God is "three" by
drawing analogies between God and His creation. They say:
"There are three members in a family, father, mother and
children. There are three states for water, ice, water and
steam, etc. Don't you see? God is three!"
Well, if this is the case then we need to notice that
"Each person gets only one life. There is only one sun.
There is only one earth. Each person only has one heart and
one mind, etc."
Similarly, "We all have only two eyes. We all have only
two ears. Days are split into two parts, morning and night,
As we can see, following such tactics is indeed a
frivolous pursuit. Such examples could be extended forever.
We could say "There are four seasons in every year. There
are five fingers on each hand. The Jews were only allowed by
God to work for six days. There are seven days in every
week, ..." but you get the picture.
Now, God Almighty is claimed to have "begotten" Jesus
(pbuh). He is claimed to be the "father" of Jesus. Naturally
a father is present before he "begets" his son (no matter
how you wish to define "beget"). Before Jesus (pbuh) was
"begotten," was the "Trinity" a "Duality"? Was God complete?
Explain Isaiah 43:10-11. If Jesus (pbuh) was "begotten" then
he is not eternal, but the definition of the Trinity which
was first put together in 325 C.E. when the Trinity was
first officially defined requires the "co-eternity" of God
and Jesus (pbuh) (see below).
If Jesus is one face of a "Trinity" and the Trinity is
one god not many, then anyone who sees Jesus has seen
God, however, John 1:18 says
"No man hath seen God at any time."
And we have just read in the Athanasian creed (Nicean
creed) that "God" is a "Trinity" made up of "the Father,"
the "Son," and the "Holy Ghost." We also read therein that
God is not three gods but one God. If this is the case then
anyone who has seen Jesus has seen "God." But the Bible
tells us that this is not the case.
Jesus (pbuh) claims to not even know when "that day"
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not
the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the
Is he not part of God? Is the "Trinity" not
ONE god? The fact that one "personality" of
God has knowledge not available to the other "two thirds" is
a clear indication that they are distinct and separate
beings, and not three faces of one being.
There are many such questions to be raised about this
supposed Trinity which defy common sense. When someone loves
God "with all thy mind" and they "Prove all
things; hold fast that which is good" are they not
presented with countless contradictions regarding the
"Trinity"? I am speaking about the logic of Jesus
(pbuh) here and not blind faith. Jesus is beseeching us to
use our minds but we would rather follow others who demand
blind faith. Jesus (pbuh) tells us
"If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my
Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make
our abode with him."
Sadly, the same people who love him dearly have now been
taught that in order to love Jesus they must completely
disregard everything he ever taught his followers and must
follow others who are better able to explain his message
than himself. In effect, his words have been totally
abandoned (see below).
"Say: 'O people of the Book! exceed not in your
religion the bounds [of what is proper], trespassing
beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who
went astray in times gone by, who misled many, and strayed
[themselves] from the straight path.'"
The noble Qur'an, Al-Maida(5):77