18.104.22.168 Was God ignorant and
The Bible describes Jesus (pbuh) as follows:
"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature."
and "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by
the things which he suffered."
If Jesus is God and they are not two separate gods, then
did God start out as an ignorant and savage god and then
become a learned (wisdom) and prestigious (stature) god?
Does God have to learn? Does God start out
savage and increase in stature? Does God need to learn
obedience to God? If there is only one God in existence, and
this god is a "Trinity" with three faces: God, Jesus, and
the Holy Ghost (required by Isaiah 43:10-11 and countless
other verses), then is Jesus (pbuh) learning obedience to
another side of his own personality?
If as we are constantly told, God Jesus and the Holy
Ghost are ONE God, and if God surrendered some of His godly
attributes and became man, then did He also surrender His
knowledge and become ignorant, and His stature and become
savage? Did He have to rebuild His knowledge and His stature
Mr. Tom Harpur says:
"In fact, if you read Mark's whole Gospel carefully
you will discover that the disciples were far from
recognizing the divinity later attributed to Jesus. The very
ones who should have been most able to see through
the 'disguise' are at times depicted as dull-witted and even
downright stupid...Some scholars, indeed, have calculated
that Mark deliberately showed the disciples in a rather bad
light because he was conscious of a serious problem. If
Jesus was the Son of God in the later; more orthodox sense,
how was it that his closest associates - the witnesses of
his miracles and the confidants of his deepest teachings -
never knew who he was until well after the
For Christ's Sake, pp. 59.
Remember, most Christian scholars today recognize that
the authors of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke used the
"Gospel of Mark" as the source document from which they
obtained their material.
In Grolier's encyclopedia, under the heading "Mark,
Gospel According to", we read:
"Mark is the second Gospel in the New Testament of the
Bible. It is the earliest and the shortest of the four
Gospels. ...Much material in Mark is repeated in Matthew and
in Luke, leading most scholars to conclude that Mark was
written first and used independently by the other writers"
Well, what then is the Islamic perspective on all of
this? Islam teaches that God does not need to lower Himself
in order to display His love and mercy for humanity, rather,
He retains His glory, majesty and sovereignty and then
"Allah will exalt those who have believed from among
you, and those who have been granted knowledge, to high
ranks. And Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do."
The noble Qur'an, Al-Mujadila(58):11
"Whosoever desires honor, power and glory, then
[let them know that] to Allah belongs all honor,
power and glory. To Him ascends the good word, and the
righteous deed does raise it; but those who plot iniquities,
theirs will be an awful doom; and the plotting of such
(folk) will come to naught."
The noble Qur'an, Fatir(35):10